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Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Podcast: Tutorial 21 - Factoid Propagation

Factoid propagations can be harmless (like the Stella awards) and harmful (like the MMR Autism fraud/hoax).

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Notes:
  1. Example - McDonnald's Hot Coffee and other "frivolous" law suits . The "Stella" awards. The fact  - youtube "Legal Minute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaG1ugF5FM

  2. Spot that fallacy with Jeni Barnett

1.       The notion that we’re all the same – “Straw man”  and “factoid propagation” – who says this?

2.       Drug company making money – impugning motives (as opposed to the vitamin company...)

3.       Having it both ways, carp, rise in asthma, obesity etc., outright falsehoods, non-sequiturs and red herrings.

4.      Back in the day, when children got Measles, mumps etc. “she’s not advocating that” she says, yet later on does exactly that. Internally inconsistent (note - this is one obvious case of this, there are others...)

5.      If as a human being, you decide, etc. In a democracy you should have the right to say no. This is where you can use the technique of Substitution

6.      We have evidence – no we don’t – demonstrably false. Factoid propagation of Wakefield's infamous and now utterly discredited MMR autism  

7.      Not part of the herd. Sanctimony and weasel words

8.      Information being withheld. etc. Paranoid conspiracy mongering. Other things withheld... Rotashield as an example of how evidence is not withheld - it's dealt with openly.

9.       The whole thing is Browbeating 

The harmful factoid is the now discredited Wakefield study. The media very much to blame for the initial and continued scare, though at least there's now been some coverage of the correction. Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World is my number one example... 

9 comments:

shiina said...

Hey, I recently found your show and look forward to every podcast.

I just have one correction: you claimed that calling a vaccine a "jab" was a "weasel word". It's not, that's just what they call it in England. It's common useage.

Theo said...

Hey Shiina, thanks for the feedback and it's great to read you're enjoying what we do.

I take your point that "jab" is common usage in the UK, and therefore Barnett may have been using it unconsciously. However, just because it's common usage does not mean it's not a weasel word. "Collateral Damage" is also common usage and is still a weasel word.

The context and the tone in which she said it also indicates, as Jef said, it was used as a pejorative and intended to invoke an emotional response. Albeit, unthinking in her case. I would not assign intentionality to any of Jeni Barnett's thoughts or speech... ;D

Theo said...

Also, only one correction? We speak much more rubbish that that!

Qyiet said...

Did you find the link to the 'Cosmic Fighting' site you mentioned? I asked google but got thousands of false positives. :(

Theo said...

Sorry. This is it. "Grand Celestial Do". Awesome.

And if you were following me on Twitter, you wouldn't have missed it!

HolfordWatch said...

The Jeni Barnett is a nice example of agnotology.

---"[Robert Proctor] has developed a word inspired by this trend: agnotology. Derived from the Greek root agnosis, it is "the study of culturally constructed ignorance."

As Proctor argues, when society doesn't know something, it's often because special interests work hard to create confusion. Anti-Obama groups likely spent millions insisting he's a Muslim; church groups have shelled out even more pushing creationism. The oil and auto industries carefully seed doubt about the causes of global warming. And when the dust settles, society knows less than it did before.

"People always assume that if someone doesn't know something, it's because they haven't paid attention or haven't yet figured it out," Proctor says. "But ignorance also comes from people literally suppressing truth—or drowning it out—or trying to make it so confusing that people stop caring about what's true and what's not.""---

Theo said...

I haven't heard it phrased that way before. It underlines the need to teach people how to become skeptical consumers of knowledge, by understanding what counts (or more importantly, what doesn't count) as good evidence.

Katie said...

Here are some widely propogated incorrect factoids that I am really sick of.
Kids get hyperactive if they eat sugar.
You get fat eating food late at night.
There is more cancer around these days because of all the pesticides and toxins in the environment. (that might be 2 incorrect factoids)
Shaving (for women)makes hair grow back thicker.
We only use 10% of our brain.

Theo said...

The 10% brain thing is actually true, and if you donate to my paypal donate account, I'll email you the secret to unlocking the other 90%!